Can anyone that has manged to grab the Immelmann II livery for the Junkers Ju 52 before it was censored, share it elsewhere?

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Actually the hammer and sickle WAS (in the Soviet Union) and continues to be in communist nations, a political symbol of the communist party and DID and still DOES represent the ideology of the party and the state as well as of those satellite states that also adopted the totalitarian tyrannical system. Using the hammer and sickle is no different than using the swastika. Both are symbols of hate and both should be allowed to be expressed as such in a free liberal society. At least if we ban expression regarding the swastika, we should be consistent and ban expression regarding the hammer and sickle as well, and then any other hateful symbols as we declare them as such. Otherwise it's just hypocricy.

If you look at what I said, and look at a few Russian aircraft - both WW2 and more recent, you might just notice that they display the RED STAR and NOT the HAMMER & SICKLE!  The Balkenkreuz and the Red Star are the insignia of their respective national air forces today, as they were during WW2. The Russian Red Star has gained surrounding Blue and white narrow stars, BTW.

Web content not equal to books I guess, Youtube displays many offensive things, I have many books with WW2 aircraft with proper markings.

All of this and no one actually answered the question. I went to the designers website and its not there either. Removing swastikas, hammer and sickle or the rising sun on Japanese planes is ridiculous! Do these bureaucratic censors believe that will change history? Apparently in all of their liberal over education they never heard this simple quote “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

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All of this and no one actually answered the question. I went to the designers website and its not there either. Removing swastikas, hammer and sickle or the rising sun on Japanese planes is ridiculous! Do these bureaucratic censors believe that will change history? Apparently in all of their liberal over education they never heard this simple quote “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

I wouldn't call that a very appropriate quote, because the rest of us have learnt from history, and decided that these symbols shouldn't be seen again other than in history books and the like. Like the others, the Japanese have kept the hinomaru,for their warplanes, and have incorporated it into their national flag, as well. The Japanese, by the way, use the Rising Sun flag for their navy, and a modified form of it for their Self Defense Force.

BTW, the Australian military also use what could be described as a rising sun symbol for military purposes as well.

Imagine some stupid kid flying with the Junkers full of swastika's over controversial places and making screenshots. Yes, history should not be forgotten, but do not provoke people suffering from the memories of it.

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The western "free world" is doomed. But I suppose the west needs to suffer under their own version of tyranny before they might finally understand how such things come about. Enjoy your police states you clearly superior moral beings of corectness.

Oh, grow up!

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I recently received a message regarding a paint I did for the Mig-15 in Russian colors, that the writer was of the opinion the this was a criminal regime, that my paint offended him, and asked me to delete it.

If I have to delete something because of that, I might as well delete all military paints, since I am sure there are people in say Vietnam that are offended by American paints, or in Algeria that are offended by French paints etcetera... so no, I do not delete things for individual grievances.

However, I do understand that a website that operates internationally prefers to try and not break any laws in the countries where it operates, no problems there. I may not like it, but I can respect that decision.

I am Argentinian, my maternal uncle fought in the Malvinas War, does THIS means that my country, family or relatives offend people from the UK or The Commonwealth?, or that Argentinian sceneries or paint schemes offend them?

Why we do not ban every possible type of image that *COULD* be considered offensive to somebody then?, sure, sure, lets all use primer coloured planes!

Are you people following me?, i understand turbo, but turbo should also understand that different countries have had different experiences, and it is the same with people. It does not means that they are hypocrites or that they embrace censorship, it means that certain stuff had a heavy impact on their society.

Here we always had a "thing" for British stuff, and there are no "hard feelings" towards British people, yes, we had a war with them, but that was in the past, and it was, really, because some dictator was desperate to remain in power...

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I am Argentinian, my maternal uncle fought in the Malvinas War, does THIS means that my country, family or relatives offend people from the UK or The Commonwealth?, or that Argentinian sceneries or paint schemes offend them?

Why we do not ban every possible type of image that *COULD* be considered offensive to somebody then?, sure, sure, lets all use primer coloured planes!

Are you people following me?, i understand turbo, but turbo should also understand that different countries have had different experiences, and it is the same with people. It does not means that they are hypocrites or that they embrace censorship, it means that certain stuff had a heavy impact on their society.

Here we always had a "thing" for British stuff, and there are no "hard feelings" towards British people, yes, we had a war with them, but that was in the past, and it was, really, because some dictator was desperate to remain in power...

Greetings, Alemart.

I was born in England, and followed with some relish the events of the Malvinas episode.

I don't enjoy warfare per se, but that doesn't mean that i don't read and watch as much as time allows of documentaries of war and warfare, be it Julius Caesar invading England, or US troops withdrawing from Afghanistan. There; that's my credentials.

Now, as for paint schemes and offense. I would look VERY unkindly upon anyone preventing a war plane being presented in its national colors, or a civilian airliner in its airline colors. That's what we're here for.

But the only national colrs that the Swastika featured on was those of the Finnish Air Force. If anyone were to put up a genuine livery of a Finnish aircraft that wore the Finnish Swastika, I would have no concerns about it. Similar with the black cross of Germany, the fasces of Italy, the Hinomaru of Japan, the roundels of the various countries that used them, or even the stars used by various countries to identify their military aircraft.

The swastika, however, is different. It was the emblem of a particularly offensive political party, which was responsible for the deaths of millions. It never (AFAIK) appeared on a military aircraft of Germany - only on the personal transport of the leader if this vicious bastard who led the NSDAP (the Nazi Party). It is without honor.

None of the armed forces that have waged war in the air before or since then have so besmirched their honor that their very insignia has become loathsome to many who see it.

If a Skyhawk with Argentinian markings were to be available, and I had the Skyhawk model, I'd happily download and use it, alongside the very Harriers that were major adversaries of those self same Skyhawks.

No, I don't consider Argentina's attempt to take over the Malvinas as anything like the NSDAP attempt to eliminate certain human tribes from the planet. I stand by my position on the Swastika on Adolf's personal JU-52, as a besmirching of the great achievements of this iconic German airliner.

WOW, you are PAi guy???!!! O_O, i have been simming since fs2000, i was so much into ai in the past, i was an ai freak!

I ABSOLUTELY agree with your point, and i think it is fine to treat this type of simbols the way they are treated IN SOME PLACES. The last part of my comment was directed more towards what turbo said, because he is right regarding freedom of opinion and beliefs, but that he ALSO must respect that FOR OTHER people too, many of those people live in places where events happened particularly harsh, they affected society differently, or both; and that does not mean those people are being hypocrites or anything, it just means that, "they had it SO BAD, they do not want anything with it anymore".

Maybe this person could had uploaded the scheme anyway, and show the pics with a non swastika version,, even if you do get a version with it? (is that permitted?), but again, does that means the other guy should had done that with his MiG-15 scheme?...

It has been put up again, but without the swastika. https://flightsim.to/file/2138…icrosoft-junkers-ju-52-8k

OK, so now, somebody can enjoy it... hopefullyy XD

Probably not - he'll still want his Swastika, and the author has substituted the Luftwaffe Black Cross for it!